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Last updated 09/13/2008- 36 Members with 36 returned kits\

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It is obvious from our observation of 1000's of samples that some markers change or mutate at a faster rate than others. While that actual 'faster rate' has not yet been definitively calculated, not all markers should be treated the same for evaluation purposes. The markers in red have shown a faster mutation rate then the average, and therefore these markers are very helpful at splitting lineages into sub sets, or branches, within your family tree.  Explained another way, if you match exactly on all of the markers except for one or a few of the markers we have determined mutate more quickly, then despite the mutation this mismatch only slightly decreases the probability of two people in your surname group who match 11/12 or even 23/25 of not sharing a recent common ancestor.  Interpreting genetic distance

 What are the probabilities of matching?  Lines taking test  More information

Table Shows # of Generations

Match  

50%

90%

95%

95% Confidence Interval
12-0 Match exactly at all 12 markers 

14

48

62

1-77
11-1 11 exact matches, 1 mismatch 

37

85

103

5-121
10-2 10 exact matches, 2 mismatch 

61

122

144

14-165
25-0 Match exactly at all 25 markers 

7

23

30

0-37
24-1 24 exact matches, 1 mismatch 

17

40

48

2-57
23-2 23 exact matches, 2 mismatch 

28

56

66

6-75
 

RESULTS ANALYZED.

Of interest is a number called the MRCA time or the estimated time (in generations) to the occurrence of the Most Recent Common Ancestor between two people. Dr. Bruce Walsh of the University of Arizona has calculated this time to be 42 generations at a 50% confidence when the haplotype (repeat pattern) for two people match each other exactly, i.e. 12 markers out of 12. The haplotype for a person is simply the sequential listing of the recorded "repeats" that have been measured. Dr. Walsh's calculations also show this to be 69 generations at a 90% confidence and 93 generations at a 95% confidence. In most cases, however, the common ancestor will occur much sooner. It does suggest, however, the likelihood you share a recent common ancestor with another person diminishes very rapidly as you match fewer and fewer markers.

  • Johann Seitz of Philadelphia line is 12/12  matches and extremely rare, thus the matchups appear to be 100 percent; notice on the 25 marker matchups that 2 cousins whose common ancestor goes back over 200 years have only a differentiation on what's called fast-moving markers. These fast-moving markers, rather than disproving the relationship, serve to show some mutational family line distinctions from common origin. The newest member in this group is located in Adelshofen, Germany, and he, kit 35141 matches on 25 markers with another descendant #5309, thus proving this line's origin in Adelshofen, Ger. These are members of haplogroup 2.

  • For Peter Seitz b c 1751-a 2 step mutation is uncommon. Meaning that all the markers in the 12 marker test match between the other testers, in blue, except for 385a, which is 10, 2 off from the 12 in Henry Sides test. Therefore, to test for any possible relationship between Peter and Johann Heinrich Seitz descendants, we would need more distant cousins (ie 6th cousins, for example)  and test for a 1 or 0 step mutation between them (that is, instead of a 10 marker, there would be an 11)  Another useful tool would be to upgrade to 25 markers, but think that will be more useful after some additional Peter Seitz descendants are tested. Member of Haplogroup1

  • Michael Sides/Seitz Origins- Walker CoAL, Mecklenburg/Montgomery/Stanly CoNC and MadisonCoMO appear, on 12 markers to be of the same Sides branch, presumed to be Johann Heinrich Seitz m Dorothea Felsinger. Henry Sides and Charles Sides are a 12/12/ match, probable common ancestor.  Henry Sides Jr is said to have a documented line from Johann Heinrich Seitz, however, have not seen any documented proof. Charles b 1818 has not yet had ancestral line determined, although it appears from some estate records that his father may be Daniel Sides b 1794 m Marie C Lefler.  Andrew Sides b c 1740  through Christopher is a 12/12 match (Note that there is as of yet no source documents showing Christopher's father to be Andrew). Peter Seitz b 1755 GER is also a 37 marker match with Andrew Sides of AL>TX of this group (and 25 marker match with the others), showing they have a common ancestor, which would be, at the least, the parent to both. Michael Sides, Jr m Delila Peacock, whose widow went by 1837 to BrownCoIL matches on 25 markers-he appears to be from Michael Sides, Sr, married Mary Magdalena Ludwig's line.  Member of Haplogroup1

  • Andrew Sitz results show one mutation, a second ancestor of Andrew Sitz of Lincoln County shows a 24/25 match with the blue Seitz North Carolina group. Member of Haplogroup 1

  • The test for Nelson Sides b c 1805, lived Stanly Co, NC shows no relationship yet. Nelson Sides does appear with the other Montgomery CoNC Sides in 1830 and 1840 census, his widow Martha Hatley in 1850 Stanly CoNC. Would like to have more from these lines for comparison, including distant cousins (say, 6th cousins or greater.) Member of Haplogroup1

  • Frank Seitz b 1826 > Paducah, KY. No match to other lines, would like to find a match to George & Elizabeth Seitz 

  • A descendant of Christian Sides d c 1803 NC through Leonard Sides m Catherine Miller's results are posted. No Haplogroup is suggested. Would like another descendant of Leonard to test, as well as a descendant of Leonard Sides who went to Washington Co, IN.

  • One presumed descendant of Johannes Seitz-Philadelphia does not match the other established group; the result so far shows Haplogroup I1b.

  • Samuel A Seits does not have a 25/25 match with another line as of yet, but there is a 24/25 match with Jacob Seitz d 1816 NC whose descendants were in Cape Girardeau, MO. These 2 lines match each other and the mutational difference with Jacob may be proving a branch from a common ancestor.

  • Valentine Seitz PA> MI is only not a match with the other groups so far but appears to be in a different haplogroup. Need to find some additional descendants of Valentine to test against.

  • John C Sides of LA> CO is in Haplogroup I, and does not match other participants at this point. However, the DNA participant says he may likely match the Murphy surname. If so, we will move the results into that group.

 

READING THE DNA TABLE

DNA - Deoxyribonucleic Acid:  the main constituent of chromosomes - the double helix containing the chemical code that defines who and what we are.
Allele Numbers:  Any of two or more genes that have the same relative position  on related chromosomes
Numbers are Repeats:  Each participant's allele repeats for their measured loci (DYS) in the following table.  Comparison of these results (numbers) is analogous to matching the scratches on bullets to determine which ones were fired from the same gun.

Why Some Rows Are Longer: - Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA)
Some participants took the 12 Marker test  - 14.4 generation MRCA
Some participants took the 25 Marker test   -  6.8 generations MRCA

UNDERSTANDING THE RESULTS OF A 12 MARKER TEST
UNDERSTANDING THE RESULTS OF A 25 MARKER TEST

The Y-chromosome signatures change very slowly over time and the pattern is usually stable over hundreds of years, but for some unknown and unexpected reason, a mutation can occur without notice in any generation.  Male relatives who have an uninterrupted male-male link between them will share the same, or very similar Y-chromosome signatures. The Y-line is particularly useful when a connection between different branches of a family is suspected but cannot be proven from written records.  Using the Y-line, by comparing the Y-chromosome signatures, provides the answer.A generation for genealogical purposes is usually considered to be 30 years, whereas a generation for DNA purposes is usually considered to be about 20-25 years.  Some of the reasons that can cause a Y-line to be a non-match with a participants' previous genealogical paper research and/or family tradition include incorrect paper genealogy research;  adoption;  rape; or infidelity.

  

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